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, the left will find little things about texas. they'll say terrible in education. nobody's health care is covered. >> listen, if we were terrible -- >> and health care. >> -- but why would all the businesses copt to -- >> that's what they'll say. there's all the problems with texas. it's a horrible place. and nobody's covered by health insurance. the other knock is that i guess a lot of the business development is -- i don't know, what do they say, you've got these grants you give to private corporations. cronyism capitalism? >> we are competitive. >> they point to something and say what is it, federal, state grants to companies. >> it's called competition. >> is it crony capitalism? >> in the real world that's how you compete, you compete for those businesses. listen rick scott in florida is a competitor, bobby jindal, susan martinez, they are all competing for those businesses. if you want to sit there -- i'll give you a good example. i think the martin o'malley, former -- or still -- former dn -- >> he's in virginia now, right? >> no. i think he's up in maryland. >> yeah, yeah, yeah
the american people to go along with and probably needs to be more of an education process to say look at the numbers, here are the numbers. we haven't heard that. >> i think that's right. remember, we do elect representatives of the people. they should understand it. when you are running at a trillion dollar plus deficit every year and have $16 trillion worth of debt, it is 100% of gdp, that's a signal we have to do something. so i wouldn't expect all the american people that haven't had much exposure to this stuff to be fully cognizant. i hope the representatives are. >> but do you have people that say there is not a problem here. some -- like paul krugman who is a nobel prize-winning economist knows more than people on the street were doing this, he says you shouldn't be doing this at this point. >> i think that paul krugman is -- remarkable record of being wrong a lot of times. and -- i know that he has been -- nobel laureate and i won't be. but i think there's -- any serious person recognizes there is a problem here and we have to do something about it. >> how come we are still no
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